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	<title>Comments on: Focus on Legacy &#8211; Constructing Bant Survival</title>
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		<title>By: Pablitox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablitox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting article. However, I have 2 things I need to discuss:

1) Is FoW absolutely needed in this archetype?
2) Let&#039;s say that FoW is not that needed, shouldn&#039;t we discuss Aether Vial? I think Aether Vial is a great card that helps a lot against many bad matchups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting article. However, I have 2 things I need to discuss:</p>
<p>1) Is FoW absolutely needed in this archetype?<br />
2) Let&#8217;s say that FoW is not that needed, shouldn&#8217;t we discuss Aether Vial? I think Aether Vial is a great card that helps a lot against many bad matchups.</p>
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		<title>By: Focus on Legacy &#8211; Alternative Sideboarding With Bant Survival&#160;&#124;&#160;Team Pataners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Focus on Legacy &#8211; Alternative Sideboarding With Bant Survival&#160;&#124;&#160;Team Pataners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 06:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] @Badalona (Barcelona).Focus on Legacy &#8211; Playing Bant Survival&nbsp;|&nbsp;Team Pataners on Focus on Legacy &#8211; Constructing Bant Survival Terese Nielsen is back on eBay!  Sponsors       Archives  Select Month  February 2010   January [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Focus on Legacy &#8211; Playing Bant Survival&#160;&#124;&#160;Team Pataners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Focus on Legacy &#8211; Playing Bant Survival&#160;&#124;&#160;Team Pataners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comments PeAcH on Focus on Legacy &#8211; Constructing Bant SurvivalDiego on Pimp your Hymn(s) to Tourach!Enric on [Video]: GPT @Badalona (Barcelona).JACO on Random [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PeAcH</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeAcH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really  detailed and well written article Jaco (as always).  Thank you!

It almost makes me want to leave gobbos apart and give it a shot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really  detailed and well written article Jaco (as always).  Thank you!</p>
<p>It almost makes me want to leave gobbos apart and give it a shot!</p>
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		<title>By: Equinozio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Equinozio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen all the recent list posted on The Source that are packing a bunch ( 2-5) creatures to protect iona. Today I played for second time Iona / loyal and I have to say that was a really amazing. I played a list more oriented to be able to beat aggro and not depending very much on Survival. 

But I&#039;ll try a list like yours because it feels to me that runing spellsutter and kira could be great to beat some dificult match ups like zoo or merfolks. 

In your main I&#039;ll only take out trygon since I fell it&#039;s some times slwoly for this type of deck ( I&#039;ve already tried but without iona). And in the side I don&#039;t really like the spell pierce but looking that you have strong counters like snare and spellstutter I would try it. 

I hope you write more articles for legacy.

Bie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen all the recent list posted on The Source that are packing a bunch ( 2-5) creatures to protect iona. Today I played for second time Iona / loyal and I have to say that was a really amazing. I played a list more oriented to be able to beat aggro and not depending very much on Survival. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll try a list like yours because it feels to me that runing spellsutter and kira could be great to beat some dificult match ups like zoo or merfolks. </p>
<p>In your main I&#8217;ll only take out trygon since I fell it&#8217;s some times slwoly for this type of deck ( I&#8217;ve already tried but without iona). And in the side I don&#8217;t really like the spell pierce but looking that you have strong counters like snare and spellstutter I would try it. </p>
<p>I hope you write more articles for legacy.</p>
<p>Bie</p>
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		<title>By: Bant Survival Primer &#171; Team Hardlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bant Survival Primer &#171; Team Hardlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JACO</title>
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		<dc:creator>JACO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 04:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few people have experimented with Natural Order (and Counterbalance) in Survival decks (and Survival sideboards) but it really just adds more cards that you don&#039;t need to the deck. Survival + Loyal Retainers/Iona is going to have a more important effect on the game most of the time, and fits within your shell. 

Most of the Bant variants including Natural Order have more ways to protect it and force through the combo (either Threshold Tempo Bant or Counterbalance Bant). 

I could see including it in the sideboard as a way to offset opposing hate that opponent&#039;s would bring in for Survival of the Fittest, but I&#039;m not sure what matchups it would make better to make it really worth siding in. For example, against a deck like Merfolk you&#039;re going to have to resolve a 4 mana spell (playing through Daze and Force and potentially Spell Pierce out of the sideboard), and if you do resolve Natural Order in that matchup Progenitus doesn&#039;t do anything to control the opponent from beating you down with a bunch of Islandwalking 4/4 or 5/5 dudes. I think you&#039;d be better suited by attacking with the opponent to stop what they&#039;re trying to do (with Llawan, in that example). I could be wrong though. I&#039;ll test it more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few people have experimented with Natural Order (and Counterbalance) in Survival decks (and Survival sideboards) but it really just adds more cards that you don&#8217;t need to the deck. Survival + Loyal Retainers/Iona is going to have a more important effect on the game most of the time, and fits within your shell. </p>
<p>Most of the Bant variants including Natural Order have more ways to protect it and force through the combo (either Threshold Tempo Bant or Counterbalance Bant). </p>
<p>I could see including it in the sideboard as a way to offset opposing hate that opponent&#8217;s would bring in for Survival of the Fittest, but I&#8217;m not sure what matchups it would make better to make it really worth siding in. For example, against a deck like Merfolk you&#8217;re going to have to resolve a 4 mana spell (playing through Daze and Force and potentially Spell Pierce out of the sideboard), and if you do resolve Natural Order in that matchup Progenitus doesn&#8217;t do anything to control the opponent from beating you down with a bunch of Islandwalking 4/4 or 5/5 dudes. I think you&#8217;d be better suited by attacking with the opponent to stop what they&#8217;re trying to do (with Llawan, in that example). I could be wrong though. I&#8217;ll test it more.</p>
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		<title>By: piZZero</title>
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		<dc:creator>piZZero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tus deseos son órdenes owli!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tus deseos son órdenes owli!</p>
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		<title>By: Owli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>q Way no me entero de nada xD, quiero un boton pa traducir xD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>q Way no me entero de nada xD, quiero un boton pa traducir xD</p>
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		<title>By: piZZero</title>
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		<dc:creator>piZZero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an excellent article Jason!

I&#039;m mainly a combo player in Legacy and this kind of articles gives me a better understanding of my opponent&#039;s decks, in this case Bant Survival.

I personally can&#039;t add much to your decklist or card choices. You&#039;ve reasoned every card according to your own criteria based on huge experience and knowledge of the format. 

I have the feeling that most bant decks now are packing Natural Order/Progenitus as any Vintage deck (running blue) would do with Tinker/Robot. Have you considered adding 2 Natural Order + 1 Progenitus as a plan B for an alternate win condition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an excellent article Jason!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m mainly a combo player in Legacy and this kind of articles gives me a better understanding of my opponent&#8217;s decks, in this case Bant Survival.</p>
<p>I personally can&#8217;t add much to your decklist or card choices. You&#8217;ve reasoned every card according to your own criteria based on huge experience and knowledge of the format. </p>
<p>I have the feeling that most bant decks now are packing Natural Order/Progenitus as any Vintage deck (running blue) would do with Tinker/Robot. Have you considered adding 2 Natural Order + 1 Progenitus as a plan B for an alternate win condition?</p>
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